Those Who Believe 9/11 Was An Inside Job

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What about the muzzrats hijacking and flying the planes into the buildings?
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lll wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:25 pm What about safety measures built into the framework during the construction to induce a natural, straight-down collapse in case of catastrophic event?

You know damn well that this is something the architects would consider when planning.
The twin towers were designed to withstand a direct hit from the largest airliner of the day (Boeing 707) and remain standing.
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PLX wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:28 pm The twin towers were designed to withstand a direct hit from the largest airliner of the day (Boeing 707) and remain standing.
Where does it state this?
I've actually heard this before from various sources (people talking, posting) over the years, but does anyone actually have the building plans that prove it?


Technically, as seen in that vid of Tower 1, it did remain standing after impact. But for how long?

Boeing 707 specs:

First flight Dec. 20, 1957
Length 144 feet 6 inches
Gross weight 248,000 pounds
Cruising speed 600 mph
Range 3,000 miles

Imagine a roughly 248,000 pound, 144 foot plane traveling roughly 600mph hitting something... anything.
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lll wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:30 pmWhere does it state this?
It's all in the documentary, and explained in much better detail than I'm capable of right now.


"Engineers had to consider every peril they could imagine when they designed the World Trade Center three decades ago because, at the time, the twin towers were of unprecedented size for structures made of steel and glass.

"We looked at every possible thing we could think of that could happen to the buildings, even to the extent of an airplane hitting the side," said John Skilling, head structural engineer. "However, back in those days people didn't think about terrorists very much."

Skilling, based in Seattle, is among the world's top structural engineers. He is responsible for much of Seattle's downtown skyline and for several of the world's tallest structures, including the Trade Center.

Concerned because of a case where an airplane hit the Empire State Building, Skilling's people did an analysis that showed the towers would withstand the impact of a Boeing 707.

"Our analysis indicated the biggest problem would be the fact that all the fuel (from the airplane) would dump into the building. There would be a horrendous fire. A lot of people would be killed," he said. "The building structure would still be there."


--source : Seattle Times, article title: Twin Towers Engineered To Withstand Jet Collision
Feb 27, 1993
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And not to be blunt, but allow me to remind everyone that "everyone back in the day" also stated that the Titanic was unsinkable.
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In this BBC LIVE report the reporter states that the Solomon building WTC 7 collapsed 20 minutes before it actually happened. That building over her left shoulder the whole time is WTC 7 as she is reporting it as collapsed. Now how would this be possible unless the BBC was reading a script to set the narrative?
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harddriver wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:42 pm In this BBC LIVE report the reporter states that the Solomon building WTC 7 collapsed 20 minutes before it actually happened. That building over her left shoulder the whole time is WTC 7 as she is reporting it as collapsed. Now how would this be possible unless the BBC was reading a script to set the narrative?
I'm doing quick hit-n-run research, but here's a snippet from Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center
As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building[31]: 18 (PDF p. 22)  and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon.[6]: 16, 18  The collapse also caused damage to the southwest corner between floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.[6]: 17  The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser, and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water.[32]: 11  Additionally, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[33]: 23–30 

After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[34] Over the course of the day, fires burned out of control on several floors of 7 World Trade Center, the flames visible on the east side of the building.[35] During the afternoon, the fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[31]: 24 (PDF p. 28)  In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[7] At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[36] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[37] Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief of Operations Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[38]

The fire expanded the girders of the building, causing some to collapse. This led to the northeast corner core column (Column 79), which was especially large, to buckle below the 13th floor. This caused the floors above it to collapse to the transfer floor at the fifth level. The structure also developed cracks in the facade just before the entire building started to fall.[6]: 21 [39] According to FEMA, this collapse started at 5:20:33 pm EDT when the east mechanical penthouse started crumbling.[5]: 23 [40] Differing times are given as to what time the building completely collapsed:[40] at 5:21:10 pm EDT according to FEMA,[5]: 23  and at 5:20:52 pm EDT according to NIST.[6]: 19, 21, 50–51 

There were no casualties associated with the collapse
So the building was damaged from debris from WTC-1, burned all day and finally collapsed approx 5:20PM.

And no casualties (I cross-referenced this multiple times).

According to this list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... 80%932001)

The majority of the floors were occupied by Salomon Smith Barney employees. The CIA occupied one floor, the Secret Service two floors.

American Express had two, etc..

So out of 47 stories, looks like the vast majority of the people were non-Federal-government employees.

And no casualties.


So, if this supposed "controlled demolition" of an evacuated and empty building was for nefarious purposes, what purposes were they?
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Witnesses and some news reporters around WTC 7 all reported hearing explosions prior and during WTC7 collapse. Many firefighters in the twin towers also all reported explosions being heard, there is recorded fire department radio chatter proving this as well.

I don't even have to argue the planes and main trade center center tower arguments.

This footage of WTC 7 proves controlled demolition, nothing else can bring a building down like that at free fall speed within it's own footprint...nothing. There was no jet fuel and no direct damage to WTC 7 not enough to cause what is seen in this video.

Up until 911 no steel reinforced concrete building had ever fallen due to fires and some of those fires gutted almost the entire buildings. Look up all the major fires around the world the statement is true. NIST will not release it's full report on WTC7 under a classified heading, don't you think engineers need to know exactly how a few fires on a a few floors collapsed a fireproofed 470 ft tall building?

If WTC 7 doesn't make you curious I don't know what would. PNAC and the neocons did a great job making Americans hate the middle east and support a forever war designed to bleed this country's wealth and it has done this quite well.
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You're just going to have to dig deeper than Google and wikileaks on your own. The information is out there.


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